Read: [next] [previous] message[d@DCC] Re: Bill C-60 test case: unauthorized players viewing DVD CSS encoded moviesFrom: Simon Valiquette <v.simon _-at-_ ieee.org> Russell McOrmond a écrit : > > Looking for feedback! > http://www.flora.ca/russell/drafts/c60-tpm-dvd.html > Probably Robin Millette or Richard Stallman gave you my email address. Anyway, I am now subscribed to the list. I've readed the full law (Bill C-60 and the current law) and are still mostly sane. > Bill C-60 test case: unauthorized players viewing DVD CSS encoded movies > > The question is whether it will be legal, under Bill C-60, for the > owner of a legally purchased copy of a movie to view this movie using > the technology of their choice. > My understanding of the article 34.02(1) is that it will still be legal to read DVD using opensource software, as long it does'nt include code that circumvent protection against piracy with the *purpose* to infrige the law. That's a major point. Using a patched version or distributing patches that makes this software able to circumvent a protection would still be legal if you need to do it for some legitimate reasons (likes reading a DVD using only opensource). Indirectly, this law also give the possibility to the copyright holder to forbid someone to do a private use copy or a mixed CD. It's nothing specific to free softwares, but it's still means less freedom than what we actually have. The article 34.02(2) is not as clear as it should, but indirectly said that to help someone to remove thoses protection is illegal if you know that the other person will use it to break the law. I think that a judge would rules that distributing a free software would still be legal, even if the patch to allow it to do illegal copies is small. But distribution of the patch would obviously be illegal. More details and examples will follow. > Some "copy control" CDs are use a data track which when installed on a > Microsoft Windows computer will automatically run a program that turns > off features in Microsoft Windows. All one needs to do to "circumvent" > these defects are to use different software. As an example, CDs that > automatically run software do so using a technique that only works > under Microsoft Windows. If an audience member uses any other > operating system they will be entirely bypassing the "copy control". > When running Microsoft Windows you can hold down the shift key when > inserting the CD which will disable any automatic launching program, > which is also a way to bypass the "copy control". According to 34.02(1), it is not illegal as long it is not done with the goal to bypass the anti-piracy protections. > I believe that consumers rights organizations and the Consumer Affairs > bureau of Industry Canada should be looking more closely at the > consumer impact of deliberately defective media. If media is being > sold as if it is encoded using an industry standard file format, and > then the file is encoded in some deliberately defective way, should > there be mandatory labeling of this defect? Should consumer protection > laws be enforced to ensure that customers are guaranteed that they > will be able to get a full refund of defecting media? Should new > consumer protection laws be enacted to prohibit this technique > entirely? I can imagine a technology that would enable such "feature" without encoding files in a defective way. > > I strongly believe that access control TPMs should not only not be > protected in copyright, but should be prohibited/regulated under the > competition act. Do this argument still stands if we can use free softwares? > What is the effect of Bill C-60? > > What will the effect of Bill C-60 be? Short answer: like the rest of > copyright you can ask 5 lawyers or policy makers and get 10 different > answers, suggesting that there is considerable legal uncertainty. > Technical people may wish to guess what a judge would say, but like > lawsuits against unauthorized P2P the reality is that, where the law > is not absolutely clear, the vast majority of citizens without large > legal budgets will be forced to settle out of court. Only the > incumbent industry associations have the legal budgets to protect > their special interests, suggesting that any legal uncertainty will > work in their favor. > > I believe we need to realize that Bill C-60 is unclear and it will be > very expensive to get clarity. This alone is a reason to oppose it. > Yes, or at least a reason to ask for majors changes. > I think the definitions make the issue as clear as mud. The section of > the bill that talks about circumvention does not in my mind clarify > the situation. I agree. This law makes things much more complicated than needed. Some schools might even find cheaper to make special agreements than to comply with this law. Just look at 30.01(4) Normally, a law should just say what is legal or not, and be clear about what is the intent of the law. Then let the juges use their common sense. You don't want people to do illegal copies? Then the best thing to do is just to enforce the actual law. People pirate softwares and music so much in part because they know they have almost no risk to get caught. It should be quite easy for a police man to find people that pirate music or softwares and makes lots of publicity about it. > 34.02 (1) An owner of copyright in a work, a performer's > performance fixed in a sound recording or a sound recording and a > holder of moral rights in respect of a work or such a performer's > performance are, subject to this Act, entitled to all remedies by > way of injunction, damages, accounts, delivery up and otherwise > that are or may be conferred by law for the infringement of a right > against a person who, without the consent of the copyright owner or > moral rights holder, circumvents, removes or in any way renders > ineffective a technological measure protecting any material form of > the work, the performer's performance or the sound recording for > the purpose of an act that is an infringement of the copyright in > it or the moral rights in respect of it or for the purpose of > making a copy referred to in subsection > a copy referred to in subsection 80(1). Probably just a cut&paste mistake, but it is very important not to skip the subsection number, especialy in this case. It is the part about private use copy. Section 80 currently allow us the right to copy songs on an iPod from CD we already bought. It also means that the buffering that your computer (or any devide) are doing are legal with the current legislation. 34.02(1) limit this right. > > Many people have read "for the purpose of an act that is an > infringement of the copyright in it or the moral rights in respect of > it" to mean that circumventing a technological measure for a > non-infringing act is not covered. I'm one of those. > What I need to ask is this: if we > are to assume that 34.02 has meaning and isn't a "null operation" it > needs to change or clarify the law in some way. If infringing acts are > still infringing, and non-infringing acts are still non-infringing, > then what purpose does 34.02 serve? I really believe 34.02 is not a "NOP". 34.02(1) specifically say that it is illegal to bypass anti-piracy protection for the goal of making a private use copy. So, if there is any anti-piracy protection, it would be illegal to makes an mp3 of a song you bought and upload it to your iPod (in others words, you will have to buy this song again). It would also technically makes buffering illegal unless the copyright holder consent to it, or if there is no anti-copy protection. That's a dumb consequence of this law, and it was probably to avoid this problem that section 80 was created (private use copy). Suppose that someone legaly download music he buy, and that thoses file are watermarked so that if he distribute thoses files, the copyright holder will be able to identify who leaked them and sue him. Then later he got caught by the police because he was using a software that removed the watermark. Then even the copyright holders of the files that did'nt saw their watermark removed would have the right to sue him. Without this section, he could only be sued for the files he actually riped. It also means that it won't be necessary to prove he pirated a particular song, just that he already have done so and had the intention to do it again with other songs. Finally, DVD players have zones so that a DVD bought in Europe will not works in North America and so on. According to this subsection, modififying your DVD player so that he can accept DVD from anywhere would be by itself a crime. Actually, I don't think it is illegal. That said, there is nothing that prevent someone using only free softwares to enjoy copyrighted content, as long this software don't offer functionnalities that have for main purpose to bypass the copyright protections. Any justified reasons to bypass thoses protections are OK according to this law. If not, please point me to the relevant law sections. 34.02(2) It say that helping someone to bypass copyright protection is illegal. I don't think it is currently illegal, at least not from the original section 27. As an example, if someone makes a website about how to bypass copyright protections, and maintain a forum about it, I think it would be considered a service helping people to break the law, and thus could give a criminal record to the offender. This would need to be tested in court, but I see this possibility. 34.02(3) I think it is here only to avoid any possible hole. If an authorised distributor remove an anti-piracy protection and sell it (and give the part of the money he normally should to the copyright holder) he might be breaching this subsection but without breaching the old version of section 27. I would be interested to heard of any other situations someone could breach this subsection without breaching the old section 27. > Accessing legally purchased media with any tool is currently > considered lawful as there is no "access right" or right for a > copyright holder to otherwise tie the access of a work to specifically > authorized tools. I believe it is uncertain if 34.02 changes this, and > we need to ask what the intention of the government is with this > section. > > Does 34.02 make illegal viewing a DVD CSS encoded movie with a player > that is not licensed by the DVD CCA? I believe this is uncertain, but > my gut feeling from talking to policy makers is that they intended > this to not be legal since they incorrectly believe the DVD CCA when > they say that they license "copy control" technologies. As long we have no software patents, I think we are ok. But if there is, they could just find a new standart that would use this patent and forbid freesoftwares to use it. 31.1(3)c You did'nt talked about it, but I am much more worried about the privacy issues raised by 31.1(3)c It means that an ISP cannot offer a privacy protection service against the data sended back by Realplayer, AcrobatReader or Flash. It also means that companies will have much more informations about which data a person is accessing and how it is used. They will be allowed to use it for marketing purpose (or anything else they wish). The Supreme Court made a jugment the 19th of may 2005 in favor of an ISP's that did'nt wanted to reveal informations about one of their customers to a music company. If this new law was in effect, I guess that either the ISP would have lost it's case, or that this part of the law would have been declared void. Simon Valiquette Président du Gulus http://www.gulus.org http://gulus.USherbrooke.ca --- " Comme vous, j'estime que la Justice est une chose trop importante pour être appliquée par des juges." - Josée Blanchette; Le Devoir, édition du 1er mars 1996 _______________________________________________ Discuss mailing list Discuss@list.digital-copyright.ca http://list.digital-copyright.ca/mailman/listinfo/discuss Read: [next] [previous] message List: [newer] [older] articles You need to subscribe to post to this forum. |