Read: [next] [previous] message[d@DCC] Personal report from the Ministers forum on Copyright.From: Russell McOrmond <russell _-at-_ flora.ca> Just a quick update on this. First, the Heritage press releases: http://www.canadianheritage.gc.ca/newsroom/news_e.cfm?Action=Display&code=3N0002E http://www.canadianheritage.gc.ca/newsroom/news_e.cfm?Action=Display&code=3N0009E This forum was called "Creativity Content Culture" -- which speaks to the 3 main communities: Creators, intermediaries and citizens/society. This conference was primarily made up of representatives of the various creator communities, with one librarian representing citizens. This is not to say that all issues were not discussed as some creators also have the interests of citizens as a primary concern (and no, I was not alone), and some creators were also their own labels/distributors. I have asked our contact at Heritage Copyright Policy Branch if the full list of participants can be published in this forum. I suspect this will not be a problem given Rogers was there to tape the event for CPAC. In fact, the 2-hour forum was done in a room set up as a studio full of cameras, microphones, and simultaneous translators. Summary ------- This was a great opportunity to connect creator communities together, and I have to thank Heritage for arranging this. It has been very exciting, and I believe some connections have been made for future discussions. This is a slow process of connecting a few people at a time, but we are all making progress. Beyond the policy discussions, this has just been great to be part of the Juno weekend in this way. I enjoyed just chatting with fellow creators about their work, and look forward to the reception tonight. I'll be watching the Junos on Sunday with a very different eye (and ear) than I have in the past. Arriving -------- I got there early as I was excited to meet people. There was a welcoming area where Heritage folks greeted participants and handing them an information package (press releases, biographies of participants, etc). I had met many of the Heritage Copyright Policy Branch folks from last year when I was invited to speak to them. http://www.pch.gc.ca/progs/ac-ca/progs/pda-cpb/ Bruce Stockfish (Director General CPB -- we had already met a few times) introduced me to Minister Sheila Copps and Deputy Minister Judith A. LaRocque (I believe that was the 2'nd woman-- I was getting many introductions quickly). Hi, my name is... ----------------- There was a reception area with food for people to eat while waiting for the forum. As people showed up they introduced themselves and started chatting. I first met Juan Pancho Eekels who is a video game designer and co-owner of Digital Extremes. We chatted about how we may both be involved in software, our needs from copyright were very different. I believe that game designers probably have more in common with the motion picture industry than they do with creators of communications tools. Susan Crean, who I already knew well, was the next person to sit down at our table. Always great to chat with her as she has a way to help clarify issues, and is able to both listen (and understand what she hears) as well as being able to articulate her own position very well. Those who haven't heard her speak can still see the Rabble Rumble debate online at: http://www.rabble.ca/rumble/ (or for those that the interface doesn't work on, direct links to the RealNetwork files can be found via http://weblog.flora.org/article.php3?story_id=267 ) One of the most interesting conversations came from Andre Cornellier (Photographer) who seemed to see any questioning of the strengthening of copyright (and patent) protection as being a threat. Any discussion I tried seemed to go badly, although we did figure out a way to explain the issue to people like him that would have worked (hindsight is great and all ;-) Representing the users side of thing, the only person who wasn't part of the creator community was Barry Cull who is an academic librarian at the University of New Brunswick. He did feel like the odd-man-out in this group of largely creators. We are on air in 5, 4, 3, 2, .. ------------------------------- The forum(/debate) itself was really interesting. Chaired by the minister and Carole-Marie Allard (Parliamentary Secretary), it was moderated by Juliette Powell (MuchMusic/Citytv producer-host). We did a short round where everyone introduced themselves, and gave a little bit about why each of us was there. In her introduction Laura Doyle indicated that she believes that sites like Napster put her project on the verge of bankruptcy. Juliette started the discussion there with her explaining her situation. Jane Siberry then suggested that as a Napster user herself that there was a different perspective to the whole thing. It was interesting to see these two musicians, both taking a different position on the online file sharing debate. When asked how many people in the room were Napster users, only Jane said she was. After that discussion I had to ask how musicians felt about the private copying regime and how it legalized/legitimized copyright music without paying the musicians. Sheila turned this topic on its head from what I had wanted it to be to being one of "it is the best solution we have found so far". I tried to suggest that the levy was collected from the wrong people (not just users burning royalty-based music) and was being sent to the wrong people (based on record sales and airplay), and that it was building animosity from the general public toward the music industry. Even though I disagree with her viewpoint, Sheila is a good politician in that she knows how to steer a conversation to go her way. The person I learned most about during the conversation was Sheila herself. Conversation will be aired on CPAC. It did range through a number of topics that we have discussed here. My attempt to talk about TPM failed as this was not a technical audience. I tried to talk about how TPM is advertised as a "fence around the creators content" but in reality was a "fence around the tools used to communicate content". I wanted to talk about how it was important to consider the views of the owners of these tools, but Minister Copps suggested that my "fence around the tools" comment was ludicrous and ended that conversation. Sheila also didn't like how I put Jack Valenti in a negative light after she declared him a friend of copyright, reminding people that he wanted to ban the VCR saying that the VCR was to his industry like Jack the Ripper was to women at night. The concept of 'free' on the Internet was focused still on "no money". I never did have a chance to inject the "free speech, not free beer" comment in that more often helps clarify the situation. While some people do want something for nothing, people like myself as an Internet Consultant are worried about communications rights. There was general consensus that we should be considering creators rights in legislation, but no consensus on how far or in what form any protection of rights should take. We did have consensus that we did not like the term "Copyright" as it was confusing to the layperson. Susan suggested that we just adopt the terminology growing worldwide, based partly on the French language usage, of calling them creators rights. I like the term as rather than focusing on discussing "copying" which is both often unrelated to what is happening, and tends to concentrate on communications intermediaries, creators rights focuses on creators. There is then a balance between the rights of creators and the rights of society as a whole, and the rights between the often conflicting needs of different creators. Lobbiests would not be able to as easily blur policy issues by saying "we are strengthening copyright" and then do things that benefit intermediaries at the expense of creators and citizens rights. Free speech but not free beer ---------------------------- After the formal discussion, discussions continued outside the studio and then a smaller group of people headed to Elephant and Castle for a beer. I had a better chance to talk with Pat Durr (Visual Artist, representative for Canadian Artists Representation, Arts Advisory Cmtee for the City of Ottawa, etc), Andre Cornellier <http://www.cornellierphoto.com> and Hal Niedzviecki <http://www.brokenpencil.com/>. Jane Siberry <http://www.janesiberry.com/>, Adrienne Pierce <http://www.adriennepierce.com> and Laura Doyle <http://www.lauradoyle.com/> were there, but I didn't have a chance to talk to them as much. Andre and I mostly spoke about copyright, and how our views differed. In clarifying my position I finally found one that worked for him: that in software, copyright protects much more than just the expression of the work but other similar works. It would be like if you could get a copyright on the direction that people read a book or a copyright on the alphabet. It would be like a painter could get a copyright on having multiple family members in front of a tree being able to restrict all other similar looking paintings. From this perspective they totally understood why interface copyright (human-computer, hardware-software, software-software) was a considerable threat. Andre also didn't understand how eye-glasses had anything to do with VCR's and home computers. The latter two are electronic, but the first is not (yet anyway, although the logical extension of the current policy direction and technology is to have mandatory digital contact lenses which would block out content you weren't authorized to see) I am looking forward to talking more with Pat in the future. She is doing a exhibition soon that will involve carbonated drinks - a survey of drinking habits and additions, an online interactive component, a wall and possibly a dress made from old pop-cans. While chatting about policy is great, connecting to people as a creator and fan was also great. Another reception tonight ------------------------- There is a further reception later this evening at the Grand Hall of the Canadian Museum of Civilization. Future policy directions ------------------------ Heritage Copyright Policy Branch appears to be well aware of our issue, as can be seen by inviting both a communications tools and a game designer to this Juno/Copyright event. I suspect in the past that the only software people would have been proprietary communications companies and other technology intermediaries which we often consider to be "the other side of the debate". This should be an important indication to our community that we are being heard. We do have a very long way to go with Heritage Minister Sheila Copps on this issue. I do not believe she yet realizes the threats that centralized ownership of communications technology tools will have to her stated primary constituency: creators. I will not make any judgments about how this community differs from those who are able to send her large campaign contributions (the special interest intermediaries), but she speaks as someone who does have the interests of creators at heart. It is critical for her to understand that "more, bigger, stronger" copyright is not better for creators, and that many of the amendments she has been pushing forward really only benefit the intermediaries at the expense of creators and citizens. I am now in email conversations with Ian Kerr and Alana Maurushat who are two of the 3 authors involved in the TPM report (part 1) recently published on the Heritage website. Alana is an Open Source aware lawyer, and assures me that the later part of the heritage report will include this. She says that the first part won't make sense until the second part is released. Both indicated availability problems (Alana isn't in Canada at the moment), but an interest in getting together to talk in the future. This isn't the only project they are working on where there is a connection to our community. I believe that once the final report is there, that this may be useful for the minister to understand some of the more complex issues. It is critical that we eventually reach her as her political career in Canada is growing, and she is seen as representing "Creativity Content Culture", even if we see her actions as harming creativity and culture. --- Russell McOrmond, Internet Consultant: <http://www.flora.ca/> Any 'hardware assist' for communications, whether it be eye-glasses, VCR's, or personal computers, must be under the control of the citizen and not a third party. -- http://www.flora.ca/russell/ -- For (un)subscription information, posting guidelines and links to other related sites please see http://www.digital-copyright.ca Read: [next] [previous] message List: [newer] [older] articles You need to subscribe to post to this forum. |